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	<title>Comments on: Surprised By Hope, end of part one.</title>
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	<description>unexpected, and a little spiky</description>
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		<title>By: marramgrass &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Surprised By Hope, some words to ponder.</title>
		<link>http://www.marramgrass.org.uk/2008/03/11/surprised-by-hope-end-of-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-5065</link>
		<dc:creator>marramgrass &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Surprised By Hope, some words to ponder.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reading through of NT Wright&#8217;s theology of resurrection has been slowed by life getting in the way. I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reading through of NT Wright&#8217;s theology of resurrection has been slowed by life getting in the way. I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Carr</title>
		<link>http://www.marramgrass.org.uk/2008/03/11/surprised-by-hope-end-of-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-5023</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Early Christians clearly believed Jesus was still alive. They simply scoffed at the idea of God choosing to raise corpses, and so denied resurrection for themselves.

Perhaps they believed Jesus was a god and so could survive the death of his body.

Whatever their exact beliefs, it is clear that their model of resurrection for themselves involved a corpse rising.

Paul attacks this and tells them they will be resurrected in the way Jesus was. (and so become a life-giving spirit)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Early Christians clearly believed Jesus was still alive. They simply scoffed at the idea of God choosing to raise corpses, and so denied resurrection for themselves.</p>
<p>Perhaps they believed Jesus was a god and so could survive the death of his body.</p>
<p>Whatever their exact beliefs, it is clear that their model of resurrection for themselves involved a corpse rising.</p>
<p>Paul attacks this and tells them they will be resurrected in the way Jesus was. (and so become a life-giving spirit)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.marramgrass.org.uk/2008/03/11/surprised-by-hope-end-of-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-5021</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.  Welcome, and thanks for your comments.

It took me some digging around through your links to grasp what you were getting at &#8212; am I correct in understanding that you argue that the fact Paul felt it necessary to teach on the resurrection in a couple of his pastoral letters demonstrates that early Christians didn&#039;t believe in it, therefore Wright&#039;s argument is flawed?

I&#039;m not altogether convinced.

Out of interest, how did you come to be here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.  Welcome, and thanks for your comments.</p>
<p>It took me some digging around through your links to grasp what you were getting at &mdash; am I correct in understanding that you argue that the fact Paul felt it necessary to teach on the resurrection in a couple of his pastoral letters demonstrates that early Christians didn&#8217;t believe in it, therefore Wright&#8217;s argument is flawed?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not altogether convinced.</p>
<p>Out of interest, how did you come to be here?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Carr</title>
		<link>http://www.marramgrass.org.uk/2008/03/11/surprised-by-hope-end-of-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-5016</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;The proposal that Jesus was bodily raised from the dead possesses unrivalled power to explain the historical data at the heart of early Christianity.&#039;

How exactly does that possess &#039;unrivalled power&#039; to explain &#039;historical data&#039; about &#039;early Christianity&#039; which is that early converts to Jesus-worship simply scoffed at the idea of God choosing to raise a corpse, and so denied that they would be resurrected, although they believed Jesus was alive.

Paul attacks them for not realising that they would be resurrected in the same way as Jesus was, and for having a model of resurrection which involved a corpse rising from the grave (except for Jesus, who they believed was still alive, despite their scoffing at the idea of a corpse rising)

All this is discussed on my resurrection debate, which is open to all-comers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The proposal that Jesus was bodily raised from the dead possesses unrivalled power to explain the historical data at the heart of early Christianity.&#8217;</p>
<p>How exactly does that possess &#8216;unrivalled power&#8217; to explain &#8216;historical data&#8217; about &#8216;early Christianity&#8217; which is that early converts to Jesus-worship simply scoffed at the idea of God choosing to raise a corpse, and so denied that they would be resurrected, although they believed Jesus was alive.</p>
<p>Paul attacks them for not realising that they would be resurrected in the same way as Jesus was, and for having a model of resurrection which involved a corpse rising from the grave (except for Jesus, who they believed was still alive, despite their scoffing at the idea of a corpse rising)</p>
<p>All this is discussed on my resurrection debate, which is open to all-comers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Carr</title>
		<link>http://www.marramgrass.org.uk/2008/03/11/surprised-by-hope-end-of-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-5015</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a debate on the resurrection at http://resurrectiondebate.blogspot.com/ 

Comments are always welcome. The Christians are getting hammered. 

Bring on Wright! 

&#039;For we know that if our earthly dwelling,  a tent, should be destroyed, we have a building from God, a dwelling not made with hands&#039; - Paul, who preached the destruction of the body, not its salvation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a debate on the resurrection at <a href="http://resurrectiondebate.blogspot.com/" >http://resurrectiondebate.blogspot.com/</a> </p>
<p>Comments are always welcome. The Christians are getting hammered. </p>
<p>Bring on Wright! </p>
<p>&#8216;For we know that if our earthly dwelling,  a tent, should be destroyed, we have a building from God, a dwelling not made with hands&#8217; &#8211; Paul, who preached the destruction of the body, not its salvation.</p>
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